Phoenix Ambulatory Blood Pressure Monitor Project
6/25/2006 Meeting Notes


Attendees

 

Discussion

Status Review:

* Larry: The project to improve the sphygmochron prototype application has 2 program bugs and 3-4 features. The next phase is to write tests to support the maintenance of it. We need a version control system. We need to decide if we want to post it on a facility like Sourceforge.org and place it under version control. El: Does this need satisfy FDA regulations? Bob: We need a simple quality system, would take 3/4 of a page double spaced. I'll write it. Germaine: We have Institutional Review Board (IRB) approval for using the Sphygmochrom as part of the Halberg Center's activities. El: We need to assure that we are complying with FDA regulations We need to add a member to the team who has this experience for future issues.
* Bob: Questioned the sphygmochron technique of assuming a circadian cycle based on daily values. He wants to do this before continuing with his presentation of the data analysis topic.
* Mary Jo: Got her piezo film boards working. Began working on getting signals and measuring them consistently. Now working on connecting the lab oscilloscope connected to computers for data recording and analysis. She is comparing the analysis from the midarm and the forearm. Also, she is determining the number of measurements needed for calibration. Also, do it with different times of the day with the same person and different people near the same time. Also, measure the same person near the same time under different activity, e.g. after walking and sitting. Germaine said that heart rate is determined by measurements integrated over time, while blood pressure is determined from the envelope of many measurements.
* Alex: Received all the boards and parts. Dave is working on increasing lab access, e.g. the number of people who can open the lab.
* Gerry: Has been working on standardizing vocabulary.
* Germaine: Had a meeting of day - night ratio vs. circadian, validated that people who have CHAD and are normal-tensive would benefit from treatment. Has been reading a book by Dr. Kane at the UMN, about chronic illness, similar to the work of Lawrence, because medicine works well when there is an acute issue, then solves it and return to normal. The incidence of chronic illness is increasing: hypertension, obesity. This will not be solved by short term treatment, but needs lifetime follow up and care. The observation is made that current medicine is not set up to treat these people, because different specialists must see it, different support systems, will to change medicine to make it more a team activity instead of just a specialist. Also, needs Larry's work on the prototype modifications.

Gerry Werth: Clinical Information Mini-topic

Coding Noise - Silent Threat to Our Health

Overview: Coding Noise
* Cognitive Steps in Clinical information
* Patient Information in clinical context
- Clinicians' mind: selection filter noise.
- Chart Note: Recording Noise
- Code billing form: Coding Noise
* Selection filter noise
* Recording Noise
- Coding Noise
-- Diagnosis
-- Flaws in Coding / classification

 

*Cognitive Steps of Clinical Information
* Clinician's Mind
- Select: Keep < 10% of information
- Noise: selection filter
* Patient information in clinical context
- Fine-grained information - many details - "pennies"
-- Lose information, misinformation is introduced, then the gaming aspect as a biased game, as what you have to record as a clinic to get reimbursed, because their is nothing in the standard vocabulary to identify this.
-- For example, you can use your claims data to do clinical analysis.

Selection Filter Noise
* Clinicians are taught to select the
- Pertinent Positives (things that might cause the symptoms)
- Pertinent Negatives (things to rule out causes)
- and discard the rest.
* Not two clinicians use the same selection filter
- Even if they trained together.
* Fortunately, many different filters will read to the same clinical diagnostic assessment!

Q:Bob: Are the references on diagnosis useful? Gerry: Some clinicians believe that if you don't know what is going on in the first few minutes, you should refer the patient to another clinician, because you don't know the patterns, possibly based on your training, e.g. Legionella - Legionnaires disease.

Recording Noise
* Valid findings
* Correct Clinical Diagnostic Assessment
* Recorded on the wrong patient,
or more often
* Not recorded at all.
- Your pen writes normal physical exam, even when you saw something different! You usually write the normal symptoms more than the abnormal symptoms. Often written in the wrong place. Notes may not reflect the observations that were used to make the diagnosis. The chart contains some meaningful information, but often isn't reliable or complete. A lot of the old chart data is out of date, has a short shelf life

Regarding the digital patient record, they are using templates to select and then use free text to add, that which isn't a selectable choice.

Coding Noise
* Miscoding: Assigning the wrong code
- CSF otorrhea (spinal fluid leaking out through the ear) vs CSF rhinorrhea (in Medline), (eg. spinal fluid leaking out through the nose.)
-- since physicians are not getting paid for coding, there is a disincentive to correct it.
* Newly Recognized Diagnostic Entities
- HIV /Legionella
* "The System" will NOT allow the exact diagnosis to be recorded! Often requiring them to move it to ICD 9 or 10 for standardized diagnosis, e.g. Tracking patients with West Nile Fever, they have to be diagnosed as miscellaneous fever.
* No Codes Exist for Diagnostic Entities
- Diagnosis/Code/Classification
- Flaws in Coding/Classification.
(Also the coding doesn't carry the which edition of the coding vocabulary they used when assigning it.

Diagnosis/Code/Classification
* Diagnosis: Free Text used by the doctor
* Code: a thing substituted for something else
* Codes are identifiers
* Classifications are organizers
- Sets of pigeons in which to place other things.

ICD was originally developed as a pathology system, not a clinical system. E.g., 10-11 types of clitis media (ear infection).

Physician diagnostic notes are intended to treat the current patient, but it is being used to analysis public health.

Flaws in Coding / Classification
* Diagnostic Entity: Now way to capture, in permanent codes, the exact diagnosis which the physician records.
* Classification set: We can't tell what individual codes mean because they contain no identifiers.
One classification fits all: In our statistics derived from medical records, we must make a single classification, ICD-9-CM, serve all purposes.
* EMR: The electronic medical record typically sacrificed completeness and accuracy for convenience in data input. (Often the note is intended to remind the physician of what they were thinking when they wrote it).
* Society: Increasingly interfering without placing complete and truthful information in our medical records. The coded data is used for reimbursement; the free text note is used for diagnosis.

Q: Have quality improvement techniques been applied to clinical healthcare? A: Yes, with funded demonstration projects, but often when the funding runs out, the technique is abandoned. Now it is used to achieve mass customization. However, it doesn't really work because you can't standardize the inputs. In 5-10 years, people will not go into primary care because they can't make enough to payoff their loans.

 

Next Sensor Team meeting: Sunday, July 2 at 9:00 a.m. in ECE 2-110 (lab)

Next Phoenix Project meeting: Sunday, July 9 at 2:30 p.m. in Mayo 748

 

 

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